My old friend Miro is a vegan juicer. He used to be 30 pounds heavier, sported a suite a health problems and now is
healthy, fit and prescription free. I'm really proud of him and am glad he's well. He keeps a facebook page documenting his journey and has many visitors
from vegan/vegetarian interests.
A few weeks ago I responded to a Facebook post about dangers of GM corn and
glyphosate (always referred to to this as “Monsanto’s Roundup). I responded with a short, yet scientifically
sound note to correct the record.
The commenter, sporting an ever-growing set of internet
cojones, posts a link to the Seralini study.
I discuss that paper, its errors and criticism in the scientific
community.
The commenter posts a link to glyphosate and autism. I show that there is no such link
scientifically vetted in PubMed. He posted evidence from Mercola and Jeffrey Smith, two insane advocates for bankrupt positions based on fear and emotion, not science.
The commenter posted that glyphosate is as deadly as DDT, and is used to sue small farmers, guns drawn, etc. Again
I set the record straight with a scientific and evidence-based discussion.
It took almost 15 minutes, but then it hits, predictably as
it can be…. It is time for Six Degrees of Monsanto.
Here's just the start of the lovely conversation, jacked full of bogus assertions.
It always is fun to be accused of an ad hominem attack while receiving one. The name has been omitted because it should be omitted from the whole web when connected to this logic.
Rather than look for real evidence to support his point, he
scoured the web for the words “Monsanto” and “Folta”. Certainly an association in a Google search would
be concrete evidence of collusion between me and the ag giant. You could almost see this loser with a cork
board, yarn and index cards, constructing an intricate web of associations that
would (in his mind) show that my knowledge of this subject comes from
specially-tailored information fed to me from an agricultural company as talking points. For my loyalty I would be showered in, well,
something I guess.
Brimming with pride, he posts results of his google search that irrefutably link me, my research and funding to Monsanto. Of course, none of this shows a link between me and the company-- just his fantasy of a conspiracy that somehow buys off all public scientists and anyone else that speaks facts.
For the record, I've never worked for Monsanto. I never got a dime from them. Even if I did, there is no company that could
affect my thinking or scientific integrity.
In fact, I’m more valuable to a company because I can’t be bent to data
or interpretations that are not based on evidence from good experiments.
But that’s not the interest of the anti-GMO, anti-Folta
forces. This guy posted a link between Monsanto and the University of Florida, my
employer. He claimed that UF was in cahoots
with Monsanto and therefore I receive research money from them. Actually it was a collaboration between
someone in the Agronomy Department (not even my department) and Monsanto to
develop computer software.
Not to be deterred, he finds the “Vasil-Monsanto Endowment”
a position that funds a professorship in our department. A friend of mine is in that position, but he
doesn’t even work on generating products or data that Monsanto would care about. He gets a few sheckels from the fellowship,
but most of his funding comes from NSF, USDA, etc. The funny part is, if you told him that
Monsanto influenced his research or results, he’d laugh you out of the room.
This has happened before. Others itchy to connect me to Monsanto posted about
the ASHS conference in Hawaii. I headed
the Biotechnology Working Group and there were two people from Monsanto in
attendance. I didn’t even know that, but
for this stooge it was again concrete evidence that I was in their back pocket.
They discovered that at the SIVB meeting in Seattle in 2012, I
led a session on transgenic crops that was attended by two people from
Monsanto. I was at a meeting in March to
discuss food flavor and quality that was attended by a former Monsanto higher-up. One of my colleagues used to work for
Monsanto in the 80’s and early 90’s.
Another colleague has a licensing agreement with Monsanto, as they have
rights to a gene if they ever care to use it. My former boss in 1990 worked for Monsanto
before he took a job at Cargill. One scientist that co-authored the strawberry genome paper with me when he was at Rutgers, now is at Monsanto-- There's all the proof the needs-- gotcha! Facts out the window!
These are the points of evidence anti-science lunatics use to connect me to a company I have no connections with. None have any impact on me, my funding, or
research program whatsoever.
One guy also noted that when I played little league baseball that
I lived in Chicago and my number was 10, just like Ron Santo, and that if you
replace the “R” and make it one word, is Monsanto. It does get a little tenuous.
****
It always breaks my heart to see discussion break down and
focus shift to discrediting me, rather than talking to me about science. I can teach them if they were teachable. They know that in the eyes of other true
believers that if they can even remotely link me to the company they hate, that
all of my evidence carries less weight and is less likely to sway anyone to the
truth. After all, to the anti-GMO true
believers it is critical to hide from the truth that does not support the
conclusion that transgenic technologies are deadly practices from the loins of
satan himself.
I’ve been down this path before. Because I work for a world-class land-grant
university we have agreements and licensing with many companies. I’ve been told that Pepsico must approve all
of my work before it can be published.
People are insane.
The best advice for anti-GMO types is to stick with the
facts. Think of other disciplines like climate change, vaccination or evolution.
A scientist does not have to be part of
some elaborate disinformation conspiracy to hold ideas consistent with science
and evidence.
Most of all it demonstrates one thing very clearly-- that anti-GMO interests are willing to just make shit up to make themselves feel better because they have no real evidence. That discredits them, not me, and ultimately is the undoing of their warped and baseless view of biotechnology.


11 comments:
It is sad what passes for discourse today. Also, some people seem to have an odd idea of what ad hominem means.
Your "friend" seems to be the one guilty of ad hominem, i.e., "attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain."
This is one of the most depressing descriptions of the nature of the argument that I've seen. If this is what happens to you, an expert, where does that leave us non-experts when discussing the issue?
That other person has had the experiential equivalent of seeing Mother Theresa on a bun. He sees "Monsatanic" influences everywhere.
Besides the which -- even if one could conclude that you did indeed have "connections" to Monsanto, that is still not an argument!
And, yes, as Norm says above, HE'S the one guilty of ad hominem!
Crazy!
Oh, Mike, this non-expert is also a shill for Monsanto, according to folks on Craigslist and some ex-Facebook pals. I'm really a medical transcriptionist and can barely get pansies to grow in a windowbox. I pray for GE kale.
It's sad to see the kind of "discussion" described in this blog, but it seems to happen everywhere. I did about 10 yrs in the natural health/organic food lifestyle until about 3 yrs ago. The people I met along the way are now shocked when I question any of it or tell them I've gone over to, in their minds, the "dark side". Or there is silence, esp when they post some nonsense on Facebook and I try to start a dialogue rather than support their position. I was really pissed at myself when I started learning the facts about GMOs, organics, and nonscientific natural health (having spent on a bundle on worthless supplements and naturopaths) but was eager to learn more. I don't understand the unwillingness to learn on the part of so many people.
Debbie you and I have taken similar paths. I used to work at an "organic" farm. Now I'm a partner in a small CSA farm in Maine, and I'm decidedly critical of the claims of the "organics" movement.
Learning is fun. I hope one day to be able to experience growing a "GMO" such as blight-resistant, insect-resistant Maine potatoes, but I'm not holding my breath.
Great job once again, Kevin. One thing I'm always curious to know when I hear of people being so much healthier after they stopped eating GMO is what their eating habits were beforehand. Does the agricultural production method make you healthier? I would hazard a guess there are larger lifestyle changes at play. I can probably get as fat eating too many organic potato chips as I can with any other.
thefarmerslife, when I hear people making these claims, I ask what they were eating beforehand and they OFTEN list foods that are not GMO (tomatoes and potatoes are always on their list of GM foods). Pointing out their error doesn't change their minds: instead, it bolsters their argument for labeling of GMO foods.
As you've stated, there are probably larger lifestyle changes at play AND maybe some confirmation bias. There is a woman that I keep coming across online who insists she cured her asthma with vitamin C and "going organic." She's also firm in her belief that going organic caused an effortless weight loss by getting rid of cravings that made her overeat. It's the pesticide-laden conventional produce that causes cravings and just about every illness known to humans according to her. HER reply to anyone even asking questions let alone trying to explain there is no difference between organic and conventional is similar to the guy that Kevin wrote about here.
@Mike, I'm happy to say I've learned quite a bit from your posts here and elsewhere about organic farming. It's been an eye-opening journey.
Keep up the good work Kevin.
As a guy with a farm, I have been in many arguments with the same types of people. It gets depressing to listen to the same unscientific garbage over and over, but science usually wins in the end. Some people are actually calming down since they have slowly began to realize they have absolutely no science to back them up.
Debbie, I'm flattered, thanks.
The thing about "organic" farming: it's one of those beliefs that seems to make perfect sense before you go and investigate its claims. For years I fancied myself an "organic" gardener (never certified) because I used only compost as fertilizer and rarely, if ever, used pesticides, and only "organically approved" ones like Rotenone.
One says to oneself: Does the way one raises vegetables have an effect on the plant? Why, of course! Isn't it obvious?
And: Pesticides are toxic; therefore, ingesting them causes harm. Makes perfect sense.
This is a belief system whose premises look perfectly reasonable, unlike other belief systems that have obviously absurd premises, like homeopathy.
But then I began to learn more about toxicology and plant biology and it became clear that the plant doesn't care where it gets its nutrients, from compost or manure or from bagged fertilizers--it grows just as well.
And a toxicologist friend encouraged me to do research about the critical role dose (exposure) plays in pesticides, and suddenly the Environmental Working Group is revealed as a bunch of liars who take the evidence for low pesticides exposure in foods and turns it on its head: They believe any exposure is harmful.
Maybe someday I'll write a book...
As soon as someone begins to conjure amorphous free associations like childhood sports shirt numbers to names needing letter fudges to reach the desired associative goal, I tend to move on.
I spent a lot of years on Usenet before Facebook, and I recognize Kevin's glee in trolling the cognitively impaired for exemplary materials illustrating their common pitfalls.
You go, Kevin!
Just FYI, anyone can click on the link you provided to your friend's FB group and identify this moron who has yet to change his profile picture. If you really care about his identity you should probably black out the picture too (although if I were you, I wouldn't bother.)
Thanks everyone for the fun discussion here. I've been reading... not much to add. ZT, yes, I know you can find that dork. No problem. I'm not worried about his anonymity as he posted in FB on a public page in the first place and decided at that point to make his nonsense public.
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